While the standard Aerobie rings are incredible, this thing is awful. It immediately flips and burns into the ground and doesnt level itself at all. Completely different to the other Aerobie rings. No amount of bending or contorting makes any real difference. Useless in the hands of a 5 year old, an 8 year old, and a middle aged experienced disc golfer. Flat release, turns and burns immediately, hyzer release, turns and burns immediately. Unless you enjoy walking after rollers I'd stay well clear, useless for catch.